Comments on: The Content of Faith: Expandable or Not? http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:44:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: novus•lumen | living in the tension of an emerging faith in Jesus and postmodern America » Blog Archive » What Is The Content of Faith http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1863 novus•lumen | living in the tension of an emerging faith in Jesus and postmodern America » Blog Archive » What Is The Content of Faith Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:34:22 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1863 [...] friend and mentor John Frye over at jesus the radical pastor has a a few posts (here and here) on the content of faith. In the first post he address the fact the in Acts 2 and 10 people [...] [...] friend and mentor John Frye over at jesus the radical pastor has a a few posts (here and here) on the content of faith. In the first post he address the fact the in Acts 2 and 10 people [...]

]]> By: John W Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1859 John W Frye Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:47 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1859 howard walters, I don't think I am using "expanding" to include uninscripturated revelation, i.e., along the lines of Willard's *Hearing God* (though I highly value that book). Some content about Jesus the Christ must be embraced in the concept of faith. I am wondering what that content essentially is. I am not as deterministic as you seem to be in saying, "If faith comes from God anyway, that makes it his fault if I don’t get it." I have a much more highly interactive vision of God than classic theistic determinism coming to us from Augustine on. howard walters,

I don’t think I am using “expanding” to include uninscripturated revelation, i.e., along the lines of Willard’s *Hearing God* (though I highly value that book).

Some content about Jesus the Christ must be embraced in the concept of faith. I am wondering what that content essentially is.

I am not as deterministic as you seem to be in saying, “If faith comes from God anyway, that makes it his fault if I don’t get it.” I have a much more highly interactive vision of God than classic theistic determinism coming to us from Augustine on.

]]> By: John W Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1858 John W Frye Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:20:02 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1858 Rustin, I do think there is a tie between these two issues---faith that embraces salvation and rightly belonging to the redeemed community. I am focused on the first of these. Rustin,
I do think there is a tie between these two issues—faith that embraces salvation and rightly belonging to the redeemed community. I am focused on the first of these.

]]> By: howard walters http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1857 howard walters Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:48 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1857 I read a book a few months ago by Dallas Willard called Hearing God. One of the ideas was that the development of a true conversational relationship with God means that He will speak to us in a way that we can understand. Wouldn't this imply that the content of faith--as a person truly walks with God--must move beyond prior revelation? Is that what you mean by expanding the content of faith? The notion of "saving faith" is something I struggle with. This seems very much like an input/output model: if I do it the right way then I get salvation. If I believe the right teaching I win. Doesn't this make God out to be the Great Carnival Worker in the sky? The adjective suggests there is a bad faith and a good faith; a faith that isn't quite up to par. If faith comes from God anyway, that makes it his fault if I don't get it. I read a book a few months ago by Dallas Willard called Hearing God. One of the ideas was that the development of a true conversational relationship with God means that He will speak to us in a way that we can understand. Wouldn’t this imply that the content of faith–as a person truly walks with God–must move beyond prior revelation? Is that what you mean by expanding the content of faith?

The notion of “saving faith” is something I struggle with. This seems very much like an input/output model: if I do it the right way then I get salvation. If I believe the right teaching I win. Doesn’t this make God out to be the Great Carnival Worker in the sky? The adjective suggests there is a bad faith and a good faith; a faith that isn’t quite up to par. If faith comes from God anyway, that makes it his fault if I don’t get it.

]]> By: Rustin http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1855 Rustin Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:05:29 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/the-content-of-faith-expandable-or-not#comment-1855 I'm interested in this same idea as it relates to 'church membership'. What is (should be) required for someone to be included in 'the church' - both universal and local (and are they really different?). Sorry - no answers - only more questions! I’m interested in this same idea as it relates to ‘church membership’. What is (should be) required for someone to be included in ‘the church’ - both universal and local (and are they really different?).

Sorry - no answers - only more questions!

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