Comments on: Pesky Piper Picks on Prickly Pastors, etc.

By: John Frye

John Frye — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:38:56 +0000

Marchien,
I never consciously thought of the contrast–you nailed it. There is a stark contrast between JP (at least as he comes across about those he disagrees with) and dear, intelligent Victor.

By: Marchien

Marchien — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:08:41 +0000

John,
Yes that is amazing isn’t it?

A far cry from all I learned sitting under Dr Matthews teaching and sitting ‘with’ him in his office as he so lovingly ministered to me and countless others. A stark contrast between the two.
No it is not God’s fault.

By: Dave Broucek

Dave Broucek — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:29:23 +0000

Perhaps the best way to deal with contentious issues like this is with a little wry humor. I have a friend who wears a t-shirt with the words, “Predestined to be Arminian - By my own Free Will I am a Calvinist.” You can see his picture here: http://missionaryimpossible.blogspot.com/
Lighten up, people!

By: John Frye

John Frye — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:11:42 +0000

Marchien (#35),
It is amazing that a theology that claims to magnify the sovereign GRACE of God comes across as strident and judgmental. I don’t think it is God’s fault. It’s in the messenger(s).

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By: Marchien

Marchien — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:41:48 +0000

I don’t have a lot to say except that I used to listen to John Piper from his website and ‘tried’ reading his books. I always came away feeling like I would never measure up and maybe not even get into Heaven. Guilt heaped upon guilt. I would doubt my salvation every time I would read his writings. I finally refused to read anymore or listen anymore.

By: John

John — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:46:12 +0000

Sam (#14),
Very provocative thoughts. Thank you.

By: John

John — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:28:13 +0000

Elliot,
Great quote. I’m with you.

By: Elliot

Elliot — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:03:08 +0000

Hi John, I linked here from Jesus Creed. Earlier today, I listened to a lecture by J.I. Packer on Richard Baxter. His introduction included the following words: “Think against me until you see reason to think with me. I’m not trying to indoctrinate or browbeat; I’m trying to educate.”

I must say that I’m more in sympathy with Dr. Packer’s philosophy of education than Dr. Piper’s.

By: John Frye

John Frye — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:09:55 +0000

Ken Kemp,

Could there be such a thing as pathological theology? If there is, maybe some leaders do need de-programming. It’s an interesting thought. I don’t know what burr gets in Piper’s pants that makes him be so strident and condemnatory.