Comments on: Jesus was Buried http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:56:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: prodigal http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3119 prodigal Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:59:23 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3119 Well written and most importantly biblical. Well written and most importantly biblical.

]]> By: Too Lazy to Write « Third Watch http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3108 Too Lazy to Write « Third Watch Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:10:34 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3108 [...] Burial Reflection - John Frye on the burial of Jesus. He looks at some of the details around the burial to prompt questions about the nature of Christ and his act. Good stuff. [...] [...] Burial Reflection - John Frye on the burial of Jesus. He looks at some of the details around the burial to prompt questions about the nature of Christ and his act. Good stuff. [...]

]]> By: John Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3091 John Frye Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:25:18 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3091 Preacherman, Thanks back at you for your encouraging words. John Preacherman,
Thanks back at you for your encouraging words.
John

]]> By: preacherman http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3090 preacherman Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:14:08 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3090 John, Powerful post. Thank you for sharing these words with us all. Wonderful. John,
Powerful post.
Thank you for sharing these words with us all.
Wonderful.

]]> By: John Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3087 John Frye Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:52:03 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3087 Ken, Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting. I found your comments very informative. One scholar thought that Joseph of Arimethea acted simply to keep the curse of God off of the land according to Deut 21:23, though that flies in the face of John 19:38. Ken,
Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting. I found your comments very informative. One scholar thought that Joseph of Arimethea acted simply to keep the curse of God off of the land according to Deut 21:23, though that flies in the face of John 19:38.

]]> By: Ken http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3086 Ken Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:17:42 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3086 I personally think Pilate was a superstitious politician who had dealt with scores of crimnals. In doing so, I believe he recognized that when interrogated, Jesus' character did not betray His well known reputation. Shadows of doubt form. Then his wife warns him not to get involved with this Rabbi because of a dream she had. Creeping fear begins to move him to release this prisoner. But his political aspirations (to please the Jewish leaders and maintain a carefully managed peace) gave in and he turned Jesus over to the executioners on behalf fo the Jews who accepted the proposition that Jesus' blood would be on their heads. Pilate washed his hands of the bloody verdict, but not his conscience. Perhaps when some officials from the Sanhedrin asked to remove the body, Pilate agreed in order to ease his conscience. I believe that Joseph and Nicodemus were indeed disciples of Jesus, but were not acting covertly when they took His body off the cross and buried Him. The Sanhedrin was aware of all that was taking place, as they requested the posting of the Roman guard. They also assured the guards they would appease Pilate when the guards were asked to lie about the missing body. There is also historical evidence of a custom that might give context to Joseph and Nicodemus' action. There were times when the Sanhedrin would oversee the decomposition of the flesh of an executed Jewish criminal for the period of one year (putrification rites), after which the bones would be returned to the family for family burial (ossilegium). Perhaps these two disciples collaborated with the Sanhedran to oversee the organization of this task. At any rate, I deeply appreciate your cultural insights into this amazing passage. We miss so much when we interpret with our own Western cultural ideosyncracies. I personally think Pilate was a superstitious politician who had dealt with scores of crimnals. In doing so, I believe he recognized that when interrogated, Jesus’ character did not betray His well known reputation. Shadows of doubt form. Then his wife warns him not to get involved with this Rabbi because of a dream she had. Creeping fear begins to move him to release this prisoner. But his political aspirations (to please the Jewish leaders and maintain a carefully managed peace) gave in and he turned Jesus over to the executioners on behalf fo the Jews who accepted the proposition that Jesus’ blood would be on their heads. Pilate washed his hands of the bloody verdict, but not his conscience. Perhaps when some officials from the Sanhedrin asked to remove the body, Pilate agreed in order to ease his conscience.
I believe that Joseph and Nicodemus were indeed disciples of Jesus, but were not acting covertly when they took His body off the cross and buried Him. The Sanhedrin was aware of all that was taking place, as they requested the posting of the Roman guard. They also assured the guards they would appease Pilate when the guards were asked to lie about the missing body.
There is also historical evidence of a custom that might give context to Joseph and Nicodemus’ action. There were times when the Sanhedrin would oversee the decomposition of the flesh of an executed Jewish criminal for the period of one year (putrification rites), after which the bones would be returned to the family for family burial (ossilegium). Perhaps these two disciples collaborated with the Sanhedran to oversee the organization of this task.
At any rate, I deeply appreciate your cultural insights into this amazing passage. We miss so much when we interpret with our own Western cultural ideosyncracies.

]]> By: John Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3085 John Frye Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:31:19 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3085 Wes Ellis, Bones of crucified victims in their family bone boxes does not nullify the Roman law, but illustrates the exceptions that were granted by the magistrate at the time. Theologically and anatomically, Jesus was not murdered. The Gospel accounts emphasize that Jesus' final acts were under his complete control, contrary to the way most victims of crucifixion died. In many ways Jesus can be viewed as a victim of the powers who is subverting their ways except in his final moments. Unless he was horribly mistaken, I take Jesus' words in John 10:18 as his deep conviction, "No one takes it [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." In your favor is Paul's statement in 1 Thess 2:15 that the "...Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus..." yet we know that Jesus was "killed" by the Romans. Wes Ellis,
Bones of crucified victims in their family bone boxes does not nullify the Roman law, but illustrates the exceptions that were granted by the magistrate at the time.

Theologically and anatomically, Jesus was not murdered. The Gospel accounts emphasize that Jesus’ final acts were under his complete control, contrary to the way most victims of crucifixion died. In many ways Jesus can be viewed as a victim of the powers who is subverting their ways except in his final moments. Unless he was horribly mistaken, I take Jesus’ words in John 10:18 as his deep conviction, “No one takes it [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” In your favor is Paul’s statement in 1 Thess 2:15 that the “…Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus…” yet we know that Jesus was “killed” by the Romans.

]]> By: Wes Ellis http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-was-buried#comment-3084 Wes Ellis Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:09:24 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/?p=379#comment-3084 Interesting post, though I should take issue with a few points. However unusual it may have been, archaeologists have discovered the bones of crucified men within the bone boxes of their families, meaning they must have been buried too. That's my archaeological issue. I have a theological issue too... if Jesus wasn't murdered and he gave his life on his own volition then we can't consider him to have been killed by the system. Jesus came to subvert and to do away with the system of violence by being killed under it and then being vindicated over against it. If he wasn't murdered then what was he vindicated from? His own act of suicide? No. We must consider Jesus to have been murdered under an oppressive system, not only so that we might understand him as being victorious over it (think of the victory through martyrdom motif in II Maccabees and in the book of Revelation) but so that we can understand him as standing in solidarity with all oppressed and crucified peoples. He does lay down his life in one sense, that is that he doesn't resist violently, but I think he was indeed murdered. It's so rude of me to, after having been gone from the conversations f this blog for so long, come on here with a bunch of argumentative critiques. It's been too long since I've commented on this blog for me to be so confrontational. I enjoyed the post, I enjoy this blog, I will be back more often. Interesting post, though I should take issue with a few points. However unusual it may have been, archaeologists have discovered the bones of crucified men within the bone boxes of their families, meaning they must have been buried too. That’s my archaeological issue.
I have a theological issue too… if Jesus wasn’t murdered and he gave his life on his own volition then we can’t consider him to have been killed by the system. Jesus came to subvert and to do away with the system of violence by being killed under it and then being vindicated over against it. If he wasn’t murdered then what was he vindicated from? His own act of suicide? No. We must consider Jesus to have been murdered under an oppressive system, not only so that we might understand him as being victorious over it (think of the victory through martyrdom motif in II Maccabees and in the book of Revelation) but so that we can understand him as standing in solidarity with all oppressed and crucified peoples. He does lay down his life in one sense, that is that he doesn’t resist violently, but I think he was indeed murdered.

It’s so rude of me to, after having been gone from the conversations f this blog for so long, come on here with a bunch of argumentative critiques. It’s been too long since I’ve commented on this blog for me to be so confrontational. I enjoyed the post, I enjoy this blog, I will be back more often.

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