Comments on: Jesus: The First Emergent Leader- Part 5 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:12:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jason Barr http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1774 Jason Barr Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:48:04 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1774 I really really like the way you've analogized marriage to the meanings of the text. It really is a lot like asking if your wife is the same person you married back in 1969 - yes, and no. But you've been along for the ride, and saying "I do" was saying yes to the uncertain, to the possibility of the future. I've been reading <i>What Would Jesus Deconstruct</i> by John D. Caputo and he actually uses a rather similar image. I really really like the way you’ve analogized marriage to the meanings of the text. It really is a lot like asking if your wife is the same person you married back in 1969 - yes, and no. But you’ve been along for the ride, and saying “I do” was saying yes to the uncertain, to the possibility of the future.

I’ve been reading What Would Jesus Deconstruct by John D. Caputo and he actually uses a rather similar image.

]]> By: John W Frye http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1769 John W Frye Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:07:44 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1769 Paolo, God's Word in Proverbs exhorts us to not make final judgments on anyone until you hear both sides of the story. The first person that you hear sounds "right" until the other speaks. Since you have only heard Charles' side of the story about pastoral intervention issues at Bella Vista Church, as evidenced by your vitriolic words and very incorrect information, I suggest that we defer to the judgment seat of Christ where I am ready to stand eye to eye with the Lord Jesus Christ, with Charles and with you and give an account of my ministry. Don't let the sun go down on your anger. May God bless you. Paolo,
God’s Word in Proverbs exhorts us to not make final judgments on anyone until you hear both sides of the story. The first person that you hear sounds “right” until the other speaks. Since you have only heard Charles’ side of the story about pastoral intervention issues at Bella Vista Church, as evidenced by your vitriolic words and very incorrect information, I suggest that we defer to the judgment seat of Christ where I am ready to stand eye to eye with the Lord Jesus Christ, with Charles and with you and give an account of my ministry. Don’t let the sun go down on your anger. May God bless you.

]]> By: Paolo J Parfetta http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1768 Paolo J Parfetta Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:56:35 +0000 http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com/jesus-the-first-emergent-leader-part-5#comment-1768 I agree that Jesus was a radical pastor, John, but what would Jesus think of the pharasees and saducees for false accusations? Would it be radical to assume guilt without proof, or would He be the more radical one to stand accused and ask where is your proof? You pursecuted, along with members of your staff at Bella Vista Church, several men with domestic problems with their wives. I met Dr. Charles Olson at a lecture he was giving in Europe, on this same subject. He supported his claims with hard evidence that the Church today has been infiltrated with anti-family, anti-Christian philosophies which are targeting the American family and those worldwide. The fact that your church supported the National Organization of Women and their attacks on him demonstrates the ignorance or contempt of today's pastors.If deliberate, this blasphemy is a sin against the Holy Spirit. I personally am very angry at you and other pastors that claim to be protecting their flocks, only to actually be preserving them for their own agendas. The shame is on you and your kind; not the Church. Mr Olson related how you said that if someone is angry and shows their anger, they are "guilty of sexual impropriety." Getting angry? I am d I'm not guilty of a thing except believing the person on the pulpit and not the literal Word of God...or is that left open for your own interpretation, too? The factsare that you and your conspirators destroyed several families in the Name of "Your Miistry" rather than being radical and doing what Jesus Christ would really do...Love, correct, and Love again. How radical... I agree that Jesus was a radical pastor, John, but what would Jesus think of the pharasees and saducees for false accusations? Would it be radical to assume guilt without proof, or would He be the more radical one to stand accused and ask where is your proof?

You pursecuted, along with members of your staff at Bella Vista Church, several men with domestic problems with their wives. I met Dr. Charles Olson at a lecture he was giving in Europe, on this same subject. He supported his claims with hard evidence that the Church today has been infiltrated with anti-family, anti-Christian philosophies which are targeting the American family and those worldwide. The fact that your church supported the National Organization of Women and their attacks on him demonstrates the ignorance or contempt of today’s pastors.If deliberate, this blasphemy is a sin against the Holy Spirit. I personally am very angry at you and other pastors that claim to be protecting their flocks, only to actually be preserving them for their own agendas. The shame is on you and your kind; not the Church. Mr Olson related how you said that if someone is angry and shows their anger, they are “guilty of sexual impropriety.” Getting angry? I am d I’m not guilty of a thing except believing the person on the pulpit and not the literal Word of God…or is that left open for your own interpretation, too? The factsare that you and your conspirators destroyed several families in the Name of “Your Miistry” rather than being radical and doing what Jesus Christ would really do…Love, correct, and Love again. How radical…

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